George Bernard Shaw on "Patriotism".

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[Tony.Williams]

Sounds good, but I suspect that some of the most patriotic people tend to be recent immigrants.

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I find Patriotism and Nationalism a bit confusing.

I see Patriotism as being rather benign and positive - little more than supporting a sports team which, let's face it, is scarcely more understandable.

Nationalism I see as more sinister.

I think others think differently - patriotism in some places (Northern Ireland?) has negative connotations.

[Tony.Williams]

From Wiki:

George Orwell, in his influential essay Notes on Nationalism distinguished patriotism from the related concept of nationalism:

"By 'patriotism' I mean devotion to a particular place and a particular way of life, which one believes to be the best in the world but has no wish to force upon other people. Patriotism is of its nature defensive, both militarily and culturally. Nationalism, on the other hand, is inseparable from the desire for power. The abiding purpose of every nationalist is to secure more power and more prestige, not for himself but for the nation or other unit in which he has chosen to sink his own individuality."